Thomas Lazar Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Hello... I see the cloud servers seem to have had some sort of issues over the last couple of days... which coincided "perfectly" with my trying out V2 Beta for the first time. Which brings me to the main question... is V2 really really not going to work without having some sort of annoying cloud connection? Is this the plan for this software? If that's the case and I can't even start the program and manually configure my settings anymore then I want my 5€ back. I know all these nifty features that lets you use your synergy stuff even while not on the same network and stuff and all the other nice cloud enabled things that might be nice for many... but I for one am not someone who wants to trust Symless to handle all this stuff in a secure manner. We're talking about intercepting keystrokes here for crying out loud. Having them go to some cloud servers and no one really knows how this stuff gets handled there. This makes synergy V2 basically a keylogger that sends stuff off into the internets! I have Little Snitch running on my Mac. I know what I want synergy to be able to connect to! And if this cloud stuff is going to be mandatory then give me my money back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Craggs Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I'm fairly in agreement with you here Thomas. quite a lot of the time I don't have a connection and work secure. If it don't have standalone capability it's nothing short of malware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Team Nick Bolton Posted August 7, 2017 Synergy Team Share Posted August 7, 2017 Don't worry, you can still run Synergy 2 from the command line (which won't talk to the cloud). We will not be releasing a non-cloud offline version of the new config interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Team Nick Bolton Posted August 7, 2017 Synergy Team Share Posted August 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Thomas Lazar said: the security conscience person who isn't computer savvy That's a tiny audience... if it even exists. Most people are happy to trust us and don't have time to mess around with configurations. Then there is the much smaller audience of people who don't trust us with their private IP addresses but are happy to learn how to write a config file and use a command line (we even give you instructions on how to do this). And you want me to satisfy the yet even smaller audience of people that understand what an IP address is, but don't know how to use one? We can please some of the people some of the time, but we can't please everyone. It would be a huge waste of resources to try and do so. And, it would be to the detriment of the group of people that are happy to trust us in order to have a more seamless experience... frankly, trying to support such a tiny audience would be completely irresponsible. I won't do it. We're more than happy to give you a refund. If you'd like one, please email: refunds@symless.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrew Nelless Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 @Thomas LazarIt's worth pointing out that absolutely no keyboard or mouse input currently flows through the cloud. Private IP addresses, screen names and your current screen status is stored, but very little else. Believe me, as a developer on the Synergy team, I share and have raised a lot of your concerns. I don't mind stating publically that if I thought we were making users keyboard or mouse data readable to us by default (and anybody who ever hacked our infrastructure or made a court order to do so), that I would find working for the company to be very hard to reconcile. When Bonjour was removed I was skeptical. The bottom line though is multicast is fairly unreliable in the wild and utilising the cloud we can actually see how many of our customers are using the product successfully, which is hugely rewarding (and sometimes surprising) as a programmer. I'm now pretty sure, technically speaking, that cloud is the way to go. I can't say much else really except tell you that is my personal ambition to ensure that the cloud infrastructure will become more reliable (I spent most of my saturday trying to prop it up), what is stored and not stored will be documented, and that if and when the cloud bridge functionality is ready it will use well respected, documented, end-to-end encryption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrew Nelless Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 @Thomas LazarWe do intend to make Synergy 'functional' when the cloud infrastructure is down, but peer discovery is going to depend on it in v2.0. There's no militant philosophy behind this decision. If cloud config turns out to be a disaster (say more than small % don't have Internet access on all their machines) then I'm sure we will eventually address those concerns by adding other options. I can't really go in to roadmap details, but we have already considered many reservations enterprise customers may have with using our cloud, and have planned accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolando Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 13 hours ago, Nick Bolton said: Don't worry, you can still run Synergy 2 from the command line (which won't talk to the cloud). We will not be releasing a non-cloud offline version of the new config interface. Does that mean we will be able to configure via talking to the cloud server and then using the generated config file to run offline if we want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Team Nick Bolton Posted August 8, 2017 Synergy Team Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Rolando said: Does that mean we will be able to configure via talking to the cloud server and then using the generated config file to run offline if we want to? Yeah, you'll be able to configure online via the cloud config service and then run it offline from that point (in case your internet goes offline). However, when you need to make changes to your config, you'll need to go back online. Or, you can skip the online cloud config entirely and configure it manually offline from the command line interface. But the command line is really meant for people who want to tinker under the hood, as you'd need to fiddle around with IP addresses, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaap aarts Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 @Nick Bolton will synergy2 even replace synergy1? isnt it a completely diferent product? @Thomas Lazar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Team Nick Bolton Posted September 28, 2017 Synergy Team Share Posted September 28, 2017 9 hours ago, jaap aarts said: will synergy2 even replace synergy1? isnt it a completely diferent product? We will stop developing Synergy 1 once most of our users have adopted Synergy 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelvin Tran Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 @Nick Bolton Will we still provide forum support for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synergy Team Nick Bolton Posted September 29, 2017 Synergy Team Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 hours ago, Kelvin Tran said: Will we still provide forum support for it? Depends on the demand. You can only please most of the people, most of the time. We intend to support Synergy 1 only for major fixes while most of our users are unable to upgrade to Synergy 2. Our long-term goal is obviously to move all Synergy 1 users over to Synergy 2. There will inevitably be people that are stuck on Synergy 1 because of some edge case that would be expensive for us to solve. In this case, those people would get a refund. We'll still make the Synergy 1 download available for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
es99 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 8/7/2017 at 3:17 AM, Nick Bolton said: Don't worry, you can still run Synergy 2 from the command line (which won't talk to the cloud). We will not be releasing a non-cloud offline version of the new config interface. This link does not work for me. Where is the command line config documentation for this Beta release? I'm having major problems with this beta... I think because my computers are using dhcp. The log file shows attempts to connect to ip addresses that are not my systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert C Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, es99 said: This link does not work for me. Where is the command line config documentation for this Beta release? I'm having major problems with this beta... I think because my computers are using dhcp. The log file shows attempts to connect to ip addresses that are not my systems. https://github.com/symless/synergy-core/wiki/Command-Line is the right link, I believe. I'm currently running on Synergy 1 because Synergy2 beta3 and beta4 stopped connecting between hosts at work, and it was easier to keep doing the connections manually in Synergy 1 for the moment. have used Synergy 2 from the command line before -- but I have slept since then! The page in the core wiki will help, though, even if it's not quite right, if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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